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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 2/3/2004
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Yes Lori, I really like the B&W look. Well done.
I sure got lots of help on this one.!
Regards,,,Elizabeth
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Lori Stitt
{K:75282} 2/3/2004
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Well....here is yet ANOTHER one! What do you think? Lori
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Anna Dill
{K:3872} 12/31/2003
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I really like it a lot too. The effect you have going here is beautiful. As to what is wrong with it, my eye is drawn to a "splotch" just above the left eye as you look at her. I don't know what caused that light spot but it does grab your attention and take away from her.
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Li Fan
{K:164} 11/13/2003
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disregards the picture above, this is the final product, a little bit sharpened one.
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Li Fan
{K:164} 11/13/2003
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Hi Elizabeth,
The adjust of this picture contains contrast/brightness, hue/saturation/lightness, sharpness, and blur.
I didn't crop your original picture, but if you like you can crop it yourself. Hope you like it :-)
Regards,
Li
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Li Fan
{K:164} 11/12/2003
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Send me the original to li@unt.edu and I'll try to work it out for you :-) I just like to do all kinds of digital manipulation work.
Li
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luisa vassallo
{K:28230} 11/12/2003
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very good; the mistery of a young person! may be a different frame would be better
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Chiara Sam
{K:2505} 11/12/2003
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bellissimo e dolce ritratto
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Lissa Hatcher
{K:3006} 11/12/2003
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I would like to say if you were to do this shoot again try turning her more into the light .I love your compostion and the clothing and concept but it lacks something .....
I also feel it is never a good thing to crop at a joint.Her wrist bothers me ...
I wish you had a reflector so you could have put some more light on her and kept the whole orginal image intact ....if you still wanted to crop I would have moved her hand to avoid the chopping affect you have here ....
I like the idea you were going for , it is different and almost worked .
KEEP TRYING your on to something.
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raju bhattacharya
{K:655} 11/12/2003
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Beautiful photograph
Regards
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David Fisk
{K:7444} 11/12/2003
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Elizabeth:
Great photo as is.
Regards
David
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michaelle .
{K:3807} 11/11/2003
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Elizabeth,
Wonderful image to learn from for "saving in PS"... I have uploaded a version that I tried to keep very true to your original, just evened out the shadows and highlights a bit and gave it some softness. This was a quick fix on the low res copy, and I'm sure would have much better results with some time and the higher res image.
In the future, to help avoid having to do all of this post processing, a diffused secondary light source opposite the window (even a light through a bed sheet) will help to even out the exposure a little. Even just using a white bed sheet might throw enough light back onto the shadow side of her face to help.
Let me know if you would like more info on the PS steps I took.
Good Luck!
Michaelle
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/8/2003
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Thanks Peta for your lesson on (I think it's called) catch light.
Great job Bill. Looks much better without the moulding sticking
sticking out of the top of her head...lol
Duotone is also pleasant to look at,,although I think I might
darken the frame for more contrast to photo.
This has been fun for me also. Like I said earlier "That's what
this site is all about"
One last thing,,,Ray,,The photo wasn't planned. They were playing
dress-up, and Jessica was standing near the window looking cute,
so I just kept snapping pictures,,,love that digital feature,,,
I looked at this a few times and thought there might be a way
to save it. I agree, she wasn't standing properly for good lighting.
Thanks again you all!
Elizabeth
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Bill Symmons
{K:1607} 11/8/2003
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Chris' idea of a duotone was a good one, so I tried that too. Thanks again for posting Elizabeth it's been fun
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Bill Symmons
{K:1607} 11/8/2003
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Elizabeth,
Just wanted to thank you for posting such a great picture, that we can all learn from. I had another go just for practice and got this. Now you posted the original, I think you went a long way to producing a great picture yourself.
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Ray Heath
{K:4559} 11/8/2003
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Hi Elizabeth,
All this discussion of digital fixing techniques is clouding the issue. What is wrong with this picture is simple. The lighting is wrong. The model should be turned towards the light. The simplest and most effective lighting is 45 degrees to the side, 45 degrees up (or a large window).
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peta jones
{K:12615} 11/7/2003
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Adding light to eyes...this is what I did. I cloned out what you had then I made a duplicate layer, with a very tiny brush on clone stamp picked up some white from the image and placed it in same spot on both eyes, then I lowered the opacity until it looked right. You just have to eye it (excuse the pun!) Elizabeth. :)
I like how you cropped it from the original.
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Don Loseke
{K:32503} 11/7/2003
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I would have posed her so more of her face was in the light with almost a profile . Also have the hand up just to or under the flowers so it appears that it is doing something.
The softness is very nice. Don.
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/7/2003
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Thanks Chris for showing me another way. That's what this site is all
about. I never thought of B&W. Sure changes the look a lot.
I also like the added grain. Thanks for taking the time to
show me an alternate way.
Regards,,,Elizabeth
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Chris Lauritzen
{K:14949} 11/7/2003
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I went a different way with this shot. As I love B&W I converted it to greysscale then added some film grain then duotoned it. In-between I adjusted the leves and applyed some curves.
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/7/2003
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Peta; I just looked at your changes & that's pretty close to
the look I wanted. I just think I over played with the paint
brush & painted over her face. I eyedropped the color on the left side
and had the transparancy set to 90% so I painted over her face thinking
that would lighten it. Oh the pressure! lololol
I'm going to bake a pie.
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/7/2003
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Thanks Bill. As I was typing the above comment your work came in. I see
how sharpening the eyes can bring them out a bit. I will try some of your
suggestions on the original.
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/7/2003
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Thanks so much everyone. I thought this could be saved, but I might have gone overboard.....Diana, Here's the original so you can see what I had to work with.
I like the look on her face, and didn't want to "trash" it. Peta,,,I've been to
Flaming Pear (Oh, some of the names they give these sites!) & downloaded some of
their filters. I like the "M" one you mentioned,,I used it for my Flower Stock photo.
I think I might try it on this one. Ray,,the curtains are off white,,afternoon sun,
not too strong,,and she was just leaning against the moulding around the window.
As far as color, I thought it looked ok on my monitor,but, maybe I should check into
color settings on my monitor. It's a dell flat panel and I think I lost the book.
Craig, I worked on it for so long, I didn't see the moulding comming out the top of her head! lol
Well thanks everyone..Oh, I forgot,,how do you do the light in the eyes?? or is that
necessary.
Elizabeth
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Bill Symmons
{K:1607} 11/7/2003
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Elizabeth. This is a great portrait, well worth working on. Don't give up. I've tried some adjustments, using a gradient plus levels and curves. Then adjusted the color using selective color.I then worked on evening out the face and particularly the eyes, (which I also sharpened slightly) to get a more balanced gradation. Then I did a bit of burning and used unsharp mask set at 15,18,2 to just "snap" up the tones a bit. Unfortunately I didn't exclude the frame so I've changed it as well, but I liked your frame coloring.
It's now not as soft but it shows that more can be done, keep trying.
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Mark Stein
{K:6210} 11/7/2003
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Elizabeth, there are some great ideas and suggestions here. At first glance I feel as though the background has smudged it's way over your subject. I think you are heading in the right direction though. It could use a little more contrast and some deeper tones. I think you were trying to get more of a higher key image when it was not lit that way. I admire you for sharing this and asking for help as I learn when others give such great insight on what they would do. Never give up!
Mark
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peta jones
{K:12615} 11/6/2003
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Forgot...Flaming Pear is where Melanchoytron can be found.
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peta jones
{K:12615} 11/6/2003
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Elizabeth...here is Diana's suggestion, more Rembrandt. Where you going for the soft delictae look? If so this won't be right.;)
I can try that too.
I just recently found the plugin Melanchoytron is nice to use. Many variations can be made...of course that drives me nuts with too many looks to choose from! ;) I toned down the red in her face.
I haven't looked at Rays yet...it looks lighter like may be you were shooting for.
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Craig Garland
{K:27077} 11/6/2003
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Liz; I too think Diana is right, and your upload does have a color balance problem as Ray points out, ie too red. I don't want to "pile on", but I find the curtain line coming out of the girl's head a little distracting too. You certainly are on the right track though, ie soft and warm (if not over done) can be very nice, and most of this photo is very good. Good Luck. Craig
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jo pez
{K:2958} 11/6/2003
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...hard to say...:)...its good for me...
:))
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Ray Witter
{K:6149} 11/6/2003
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Elizabeth,
This is a tough one. I tend to agree with Diana. The histogram indicates very little of the exposure latitude is used, and there is a strong color cast. I did try a couple of things though. I brought the Red, Green and Blue hilights and shadows to neutral using a curves adjustment in PS. Then I took out some of the Red and Green color cast with a Color Balance adjustment. Then I brought up the midtones a bit with a RGB curves adjustment. What I got was different, not sure it is better, but it is different. Hope you can tell something from the thumbnail, if not e-mail me at rayrw@sbcglobal.net and I'll send you the file I made.
I wonder what kind of light you had coming through the window, was the window tinted or was the light coming through the window being reflected off a colored surface, or were there colored curtains over the window? Another possible solution to this problem might be to use a white reflector to reflect some of the light back onto the shadow side of her face.
Reguards,
ray w.
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peta jones
{K:12615} 11/6/2003
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Dear Elizabeth I'm working on it!
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Diana Cornelissen
{K:26437} 11/6/2003
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Hi Elizabeth,
This is a difficult one. Specially because you want the "dark" side as bright as the other side. I don't think you have to brighten it too much.... the lightning get's unnatural this way. I feel a little more contrast between dark and light is necesarry to get this lovely fave "ALIVE"! Well, you really succeeded in giving this picture a "romantic mood". Don't be affraid of the dark side... do you know the Dutch painter Rembrandt? He is very good in portraits where the light is coming in from one side. As I said... this is difficult, I wished I could see the original one, so I could see the changes you have already made.
Succes,
Diana.
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/6/2003
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I tried to put a shine in her eyes, but now her eyes look crooked!
How do you line them up. I need Help from all you portrait people.
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Elizabeth Miller
{K:2766} 11/6/2003
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Now that I uploaded it,,,it looks even worst!!!!!
Way lighter than it was when I finished.
Woe is me...;>(
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