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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/8/2007
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Andre, regarding the branches after you initiated many thoughts in my mind about them, well, I do think now that either their color or their contours in front of the blue wall could be somewhat enhanced. Of course one never stops mentally "correcting" some image, even until the results of the corrections do not reselble the original image any more. ;-)
But really, perhaps the more brownish of the branches should be better visible. Which leads me to the question, how to manage to do that, when almost the whole composition stands in shadow, and thus overexposure causes an almost uniform shift towards the blue hues? I think that this is a hard thing to do when shooting, and so it is very interesting to me.
Best wishes and thanks a lot!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/8/2007
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Thank you very much for the nice comment, Wayne. This image seems to cause much more interest than I could even imagine.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/8/2007
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Oh no, Mahassa, jokes aside now, it wasn't trouble at all. I consider all this discussion as a shared search for some things in photography, and it said and still says very much to me. It is a very nice way to learn - I really feel like sitting with all of you in front of some piece of arts and have a shared brainstorming.
As I said to Andre, I really like all the ideas, each of it for its own character. The version "Fabrice's and Mahassa's idea in blue" I consider as the one that stays closest to the original composition and retains the look and feel, though not the "tightest" one. Still, on that version I miss some space at the top much more than on the original version. I think it is the fact that the altered version makes the geometry more "feelable" and thus also the flaws in composition regarding vertical shift.
Thank you and all the others so much for joining this nice trip into matters of photography.
And, perhaps, we do that for other images too?
Cheers,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/8/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice and detailed comment, Andre! And much more for referring to that kind of unexplainable "liking" (I don't know any better word for that) which can really be an eye and also mind magnet. There are indeed images that somehow "possess" immediately our whole attention, but understandning the reasons may be a bery hard and also very interesting thing to do. In some ways it is much like examining the own self more than the image, so the image might be though as a catalyst for that.
I don't really know which of the ideas I like more - I like them all! :-) Each of them strong on its own way. So I still compare and think, but perhaps I should avoid comparing here. :-/
Anyway, the crop "Cropped After Fabrice's Ideas" appeas to me to be the most "economical" one - the one that strengthens the atmosphere by using the least means. And as such I do like it very much, since it avoids all the unnecessary things. It speaks very laconic but does keep the meaning, the quintessence, which is a very good thing to do in such images.
Best wishes and have a nice Sunday,
Nick
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Wayne Winsauer
{K:7331} 7/8/2007
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I like this one a lot Nick!
The stone wall is wonderful and I like how the pot stands out against it!
It makes for a very artistic image with one very strong focal point.
Well done!
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 7/7/2007
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I meant Fabrice's and Mahassa's idea in blue...
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 7/7/2007
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YEP, this one I like the most,
sorry for the trouble you went into,
take care, mahassa
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 7/7/2007
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Hi again Nick,
Sorry, I should have said the version titled "Cropped After Fabrice's Ideas" is my favourite. (the squarer format version)
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66327} 7/7/2007
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Hi Nick,
This lovely, cool image has gotten a lot of well deserved attention. I think this version seems the most balance and is the most pleasing to the eye. Like a lot of good photography, there is often something in an image that people have trouble putting into words. I really like the contrast between the barrel and the blue wall. At first, I didn't really like the branches being a similar tone to the wall. But now, after a couple of long viewings, I like it very much. It is almost like the branches and wall have grown old together and so they blend in tone.
Great job on this one Nick!
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/6/2007
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Thanks a lot for participating to this extraordinary discussion, Mahassa! It is to me what should be most of the times here, and unfortunately isn't!
I tried to reconstruct Fabrices ideas about a B&W photo, and attached that to my reply to him, so you might want to get a look at it, as it does (I hope) represent your thoughts about composition too, but in B&W. Since you tend to favorite the blue one, like I do, I also add another attachment with the same composition changes like your and Frabrices ideas, but kept in the original coloring. Which also means that I had to do all those cuts and pastes and smudging again, becauseI didn't keep the altered image - ggrrrrmmmpf!!!! :-D
OK, hier it is, rather imperfect but I hope good enough for visualizing your thoughts.
All the best,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/6/2007
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OK, I followed your ideas, Fabrice, just because of my tendency for "thorough" work :-D, I cut the wall from the left, added it to the right, smudged a bit at the stitching line, and turned it to B&W - and all this rather imperfect, but hopefully good enough for getting some impression.
It gets stronger, indeed, but something is missing of the cold.
Thanks a lot for introducing me to yet another way to view the scene!
Have a nice day too, and excuse my rather primitive PS skills. ;-)
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 7/6/2007
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Oh, now I can say that I like the blue one better, but your second crop (I mean your second attachment)has got a more powerful composition and maybe as you said with more empty space on the right would be even stronger ;)
all n all a great job,
best, mahassa
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G G
{K:61359} 7/6/2007
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Yes Nick with more empty space on the right, it should be nice.. and in B&W.. Almost perfect  ..for me heheh
Have a nice day
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/6/2007
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Thanks a lot for the reply, Fabrice. So I re-cropped as you can see on the attachment. I have the impression that cropping the left side off makes it necessary to crop also a bit of the bottom too.
But indeed, I think I should have put the tree at the left and take more of the wall to the right.
Thank you very much again!
Nick
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G G
{K:61359} 7/5/2007
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Dear Nick, it works well in B&W indeed!! For the crop, I mean to let the empty space on the right part.. just with the brenches of the tree..
Fabrice
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thank you very much for the detailed comment and the idea, Mahassa! The B&W is a less cold - see attachment for Fabrice. But it has a more remembering-like function. What do you think?
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thank you very much for the nice detailed comment, Ahmed!
I didn't mean it as "beautiful".. rather the opposite, but still nice to know how you see it, especially when refering to the tree, which nobody did this way that far. Could you also tell what the meaning of this image might be for you?
Many thanks again and best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Many many thanks for the nice comment, Mohamed!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thanks a lot again, Claudia!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice comment, Vandy!
Well, it was not "pleasant" what I wanted to have here, but I do find interesting the fact that it looks pleasant to you.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thanks a lot dear Yazeed!
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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You just got my own thoughts, Sandip! As I said to Fabrice, it was wanting to get straight to the matter of ugliness of slavery/death, without any further intention. Just show it as it is, completely raw - colkd, not cool, as you say.
You crop might have been better - in any case I think that more space was needed on the top of it.
Thanks a lot for the detailed comment, and best wishes.
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Ringraziamenti mólto, Simone! Ma che elementi significate? Potreste spiegare prego?
Nick
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 7/5/2007
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Thanks a lot for the nice and detailed comment, Fabrice! It was indeed straightness with which I wanted to capture the ugliness of slavery/death, and depict it absolutely raw.
But your idea for a crop... do you mean it like on left of the attachment?
The B&W is good (see attachment, right side), though in a different way. It rather enhances the element of documentary remembrance but the cold is not as strong.
What do you think?
Best wishes, and thanks a lot again!
Nick
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Elle Elle
{K:10958} 7/4/2007
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this is a vice capture Nick, I like the blue very much,
I suppose this would be very effective in B/W too.
best, mahassa
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Ahmed Ismail
{K:19853} 7/3/2007
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The blue tones are beautiful! Its a meaningful image. I like the plant, that which has these twisted branches.
Regards, Ahmed
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Mohamed Badawy
{K:11828} 7/3/2007
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bravo nick, very excellent work .
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Claudia Perilli
{K:31090} 7/3/2007
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Nice work!
Claudia
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Vandy Neculae
{K:7990} 7/3/2007
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Simple and beautiful!
The blue tone is pleasant!
Best regards,
Vandi
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M jalili
{K:69009} 7/3/2007
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Very nice my dear .........
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Sandip Aine
{K:5008} 7/3/2007
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Amazing. I'm unable to critic this image. I don't think i would have chosen such a simple angle for this shot. May be more from left with a bit extra space above. But this is haunting me. There's something very straight, very bare about this shot. And obviously the cold part. It's funny that there's a project going on about "hot" pics. This should come as one of coldest (not cool though !) pics i've seen, makes me feel about death (and slavery is death, imo). May be that's what you're depicting, or may be i'm just stupid. Anyway this goes to my fav. I need to visit this again, later.
Best Regards,
-sandip
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Simone Tagliaferri
{K:28180} 7/3/2007
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Bella composizione piena di elementi. COmplimenti.
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G G
{K:61359} 7/3/2007
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The effect is surprising even if the composition with the position of the tree and the wall in the background lead to something that attracts the eye. Perhaps I would not choose the same way to frame it Nick. I would crop the shot close to the tree, leading the brenches going on the right empty space. This original shot in B&W should give also something nice I guess.. as you know Nick I always like the atmosphere of such photo.
Anyway this is an interesting work you've done here.
Cheers my dear Nick
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