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My 2005 favourites III
 
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Photographer Hugo de Wolf  Hugo de Wolf {Karma:185110}
Project #36 Magic Light Camera Model Nikon D2x
Categories Nature
Landscape
Travel
Film Format Digital RAW
Portfolio Trails through the North West Pacific
Creative Photos
Lens Nikon  12-24mm f/4G ED-IF AF-S DX
Uploaded 12/22/2005 Film / Memory Type ISO 100
    ISO / Film Speed
Views 2019 Shutter 1/30
Favorites Aperture f/22
Critiques 92 Rating
6.08
/ 23 Ratings
Location City -  North Cascades National Park
State -  WA
Country - United States   United States
About Hi people,

With 2005 rapidly running out of days, I figured I might as well upload three of my favourite photos I took this year.

The reason I selected this one is as this was the first time I really encountered the American wilderness. Having seen many films, I had sketched myself an image of what this area would look like, but the real thing excelled my imagination. I could hear the hooves of the horses thunder, and feel the presence of the ol' cowboys and indians chasing eachother. Absolutely breath taking. I only hope this image gives you the same feel. Oh, well, I think it comes pretty close.


The third and last part:
Date: 27 September 2005
Location: Washington Pass, North Cascades
Camera: D2x
ISO: 100
Focal length: 12 mm
Shutterspeed: 1/20' (Tripod used)
Aperture: f/22

Your comments are, as usual, very welcome!

Cheers,

Hugo
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Dave Arnold Dave Arnold   {K:55680} 4/1/2006
Absolute gorgeous landscape and am glad to see you felt it was the best in that it is from a memorable trip to the US for you.

Great colors and exposure.

Best,
Dave

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Toni Petersen Toni Petersen   {K:2404} 3/21/2006
You've done a fantastic job of capturing the true spirit of this beautiful, pristine wilderness area. The lighting and shadows across the meadow, and the shadow of the clouds on the mountain add a sense of motion. I love shots like this. Excellent moment captured in time.

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Doyle D. Chastain Doyle D. Chastain   {K:101119} 3/20/2006
Stunning, tranquil, idyllic . . . good capture.
Regards-
Doyle I

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Salib Cross Salib Cross   {K:1972} 1/30/2006
excellent compmsition & wonderfull colors
I like the reflection in this shot
best regards

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/19/2006
hehehehehh.... I'm rich, I'm rich! I'll send you my bank account number by email, OK...:) Kidding, Ace, thanks for your compliment...:)

Cheers,

Hugo

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Ace Star Ace Star   {K:21040} 1/19/2006
Perfect! amazing capture Hugo! give you Million for that :) keep up the good work

best of luck

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Kambiz K Kambiz K   {K:37420} 1/12/2006
Indeed this image could bring a dream to a reality. I love the composition, colours and that beautiful reflection.
And if you were lucky you could get photos of few animals, like white bald eagle, or few rodents, or perhaps deers made your image beyond complete.
But I am very sure those creatures were around and did not want to intrrupt you from your dream-reality mood.
All the best.

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Gustav Miller   {K:309} 1/11/2006
Fabulous landscape image with great colors and DOF.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/11/2006
Thanks Alison, always a very cool compliment to get..:)

Cheers,

Hugo

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Alison Webb   {K:1779} 1/11/2006
Wonderful colour & nice reflections, great stuff.
Cheers Al.
ps you'r portfolio is wonderful.

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Di Ciuccio Maurizio Di Ciuccio Maurizio   {K:57398} 1/10/2006
assolutamente fantastica..wonderfull landscape and exceptional view..perfect color and composition..excellent job,dear hugo,very fantastic photo..a soon

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Asher Khan   {K:1459} 1/10/2006
Hugo the picture definitely got the feeling of wilderness in me. Beutifull blue sky and mountain reflections, this looks more like hand painted rather than a photograph. Thanks for sharing

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Garold Jennings Garold Jennings   {K:2513} 1/8/2006
I Love the outdoors and your photograph does it justice. You captured the scene wonderfully and the reflection is beautiful.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/6/2006
Hi Tim, Of course I don't mind your suggestion! On the contrary, I value them very much, thanks! I think you have a very good point too, thanks for the feedback!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Tim  Schumm Tim  Schumm   {K:29196} 1/6/2006
Hi Hugo,

I'm Glad you got out to the Wild west! looks like the area you went to was supreme. I have a criticism of this image though. I find that there isn't a focus in particular in this image and hence it has lost the impact that I am sure you are trying to convey. The mountain and trees have a equal interest rather then one or the other being predominate. If you were to crop the top of the tree on the right somewhat the mountain would become more of the main focus.....hope you don't mind my suggestions.

Warm regards, Tim

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Randy Lorance Randy Lorance   {K:24769} 1/5/2006
Hugo, I'm glad you had a chance to get out into the 'country' when you were out this way. We grow accustomed to our own areas and in the same way you felt here, traveling through Wyoming and Montana I felt awed by the same sense.
Very nice representative scene you have captured here. I like the lighting how it falls in the center. I agree that getting out into nature has a healing quality for the soul and that is why a photo such as this is so appealing to absorb.

Randy

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hdw Photography hdw Photography   {K:6630} 1/4/2006
MAGIC MAGIC MAGIC.best regards Hilton

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Ian McIntosh Ian McIntosh   {K:42997} 1/4/2006
Absolutely Hugo. I did work it out. I just had to think. So often get new and usefull concepts from you. There is no better way to say it but thanks for thwe diagram in addition. :)
Man you are a dynamo!

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Subhash Sen Subhash Sen   {K:11931} 1/4/2006
Picture perfect my friend ,cheers,subhash.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/4/2006
Hi Ian, I guess the phrasing "absolute translation" is a creation I made based on my limited knowlege of English...:) I'll try to explain with the attached diagram.

Take a fixed point somewhere on your subject, one near by, one further away. If the camera rotates just a wee bit during the "camera shake" thing, the ponts translate on your ccd, causing an unsharp image. The translation of the farthest point is larger than a point near by. So the larger the distance to the subject, the larger the motion blur will be with an identical camera shake, right?

This sounds logical to me, but I'm not sure if it's correct... Any other thoughs are always welcome! And what would be the correct phrasing for "absolute translation"?

Thanks -- Cheers,

Hugo

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"Absolute translation" diagram


Ian McIntosh Ian McIntosh   {K:42997} 1/4/2006
Appreciate your about.
Americas vastness often lost to those of us who haven't been there. Like the colour in those hills.
About your comment to Jeroen:-
What oh what is an "absolute translation" I wondered... googles didn't help... had to think... thanks.

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Raja Oloan Tumanggor   {K:631} 1/4/2006
Interesting landscape. Well composed. Hugo, thanks for sharing.

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Elisabeth D'Amico   {K:6674} 1/4/2006
Very nice colors!!!!! Very nice.
Eli:-))

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Cernan Catig Cernan Catig   {K:2905} 1/4/2006
hugo this is an awesome shot! i liked the choice of wide angle lens in here. its perfect you captured the reflection on the water and the streaks of light on the field, trees and mountain top, so difficult to time when its cloudy and hoping for that light to seep through it. well done and very impressive portfolio with loads of awards. ill definitely visit your portfolio regularly

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* kees * * kees *   {K:2357} 1/4/2006
Very well captured landscape, Hugo. Very well composed, it draws you into the scene. I like the colours.
Regards, Kees

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Mark Kresl Mark Kresl   {K:9434} 1/3/2006
You really captured the very essence of the American wilderness with this, Hugo. This is a breathtaking scene that is perfectly composed and shot. Very well done.

Mark

thanks so much for you comments this past year. i appreciate them very much. Hope you have a very happy and prosperous 2006.

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Galal El Missary   {K:84569} 1/3/2006
Nice composition , lighting & Reflections , Best wishes & Happy new year .

Galal

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Federico Bottaini Federico Bottaini   {K:3616} 1/3/2006
very best shot!
I like the light!

thnks'you for the comment!

ciao
federico

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/3/2006
Sorry. was een misplaatst grapje...

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 1/3/2006
Ha Riny, Uit Amerika?!? Ben je verhuisd? Ik kwam na de update volgens mij uit Congo, of zo iets. Gewoon een kwestie van in My Preferences weer de optie op Nederland zetten.... Vanavond volgt een email. Stuur mij ook even een email als je nog wat kwijt wilt, alstjeblieft?

Groeten,

Hugo

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 1/3/2006
En sins wanneer kom ik uit Amerika???

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Riny Koopman Riny Koopman   {K:102911} 1/3/2006
Awesome Hugo, Het volgende wat ik je wil vertellen is dat je gisteren een comment heb gegeven op mijn foto happy new jear en wat blijkt nou dat ze mij 2 fotos wat er stond ver wijderd hebben en wat kan ik hier in gods naam er aan doen? En zoja heeft de eigenaar van deze site ook een foto site?? Laat my dat ff weten als je het weet Groetjes Riny

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Guido Tweepenninckx Guido Tweepenninckx   {K:20076} 1/3/2006
very nice landscape
love the cloud shadow play.

RE;my last pic
Thanks,
cleaning up all my pics last year to start from scratch and this one I deleted too.
But reloaded so Usefilmers can see.
Guido.

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Andrej V   {K:6693} 1/2/2006
best wishes and a lot of great photos in 2006 Hugo!
Be inspiring!
Andrej

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Lori Stitt   {K:75282} 1/1/2006
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hugo!!!

Good to hear from you, especially today, the first of the new year!

Outstanding photograph!! Colors/exposure are right on. Looks as though you had the perfect day for photography. Puffy white clouds, spots of shade on the ground. Still water that reflects like a mirror.

I've not been to this location, but have heard it's lovely, and this confirms it.

Have a GR8 day!
Lori :)

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Frits Selier   {K:455} 1/1/2006
een mooie Hugo!

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Jeff Cartwright   {K:52046} 1/1/2006
Excellent Pictorial ....Landscape.....Hugo!
...Composition!...Colour, and Image Quality!!!
Best Regards:
Jeff.

Thank you, Hugo!..for your recent Visits...and Comments...So Nice to Hear from You...New Years Greeting...Jeff.

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Rashed Abdulla Rashed Abdulla   {K:163889} 1/1/2006
very beautiful my friend ,great place and amazing expouser here with wonderful composition,Happy New Year my friend and wishing you and yours all of the best always.

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Mohamed Banna Mohamed Banna   {K:34237} 1/1/2006
a very nice landscape
perfect reflection great composition

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Martin . Martin .   {K:24957} 1/1/2006
Hugo,

Amazing as always my friend...

"Happy New Year to You and Yours"

www.usefilm.com/image/1019813.html

Marty

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Saeed Al Shamsi Saeed Al Shamsi   {K:47735} 12/31/2005
Happy New Year.
Saeed

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Teunis Haveman Teunis Haveman   {K:53426} 12/31/2005
Hugo
Prachtige landschap
Beaituful compositie with the reflection
Gr Teunis
Veel heil en zegen in 2006

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Roberto Arcari Farinetti Roberto Arcari Farinetti   {K:209486} 12/31/2005
..absolutely my friend.. also me i agree with you.. is fantastic and favorite..
7+

sorry for my long silence and little time, but a thougth for the friend is always in my herat..
have a KIND OF MAGIC happy new year

cheers
roby

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/29/2005
Not really, Jean-Claude, I think you're referring to the previous photo in my portfolio. This photo was taken in the North Cascades.

Cheers,

Hugo

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JC Flowed   {K:1068} 12/29/2005
I love the web created by the wires... Brooklyn Bridge, isn't it?

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Dubravko Grakalic   {K:25235} 12/28/2005
your favourites series are excellent! great stuff! and very good using of digital techniques.

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Endre Novak Endre Novak   {K:12666} 12/27/2005
Buetiful shot, great colours ans clarity.
Very nice post.
Endre

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Shane O'Neill   {K:3054} 12/27/2005
very good positioning of the trees to create this sweeping composition .. very nice work - keep it up for 2006.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/27/2005
Hi saeed, the same to you, nice to hear from you again!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/27/2005
Hi Bobby, good to hear from you again. Thanks for the comment, too. I attached a photo from the same setting to my comment tor Jeroen, showing more of the reflections of the clouds in the pond... Is this what you had in mind?

All the best to you, and I'll talk to you soon,

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/27/2005
Agreed. Could've solved that with a square crop, I believe... Good point and thanks for the feedback, Paul!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/27/2005
Agreed. Could've solved that with a square crop, I believe... Good point and thanks for the feedback, Paul!

Cheers,

Hugo

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/27/2005
Hi Omar, good to hear from you again. I sometimes wonder about that too. Having nature around is so important....

I see what you mean about the tilt, but I assure you, it isn't there; I always pay attention to those things, and eventhough it's hard to measure in this shot, as the tree line doesn't run in a straight line parallel to the horizon, the wide angle effect does distort the trees a bit, allowing this apparent tilt. It's very straight, though....:)

Thanks for your comment and critiqual eye, it always helps me to keep sharp about these things...:)

Cheers,

Hugo

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Bobby Mun Bobby Mun   {K:3709} 12/26/2005
Hi Hugo,

How are you doing ? :> Happy New Year to you and your family.

B E A U T I F U L L A N D S C A P E
Very nice/rich color and composition. I love this shot!

If there is another shot that can include the reflection of the clouds, it will be another excellent shot. :> Just a thought.

Cheers! Bobby

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Omar Rifaat   {K:10141} 12/26/2005
Hi Hugo,
Sometimes I ask myself why I moved from Canada to Europe when I see these images. I have to say that not having the expanse of nature nearby feels like a gulf in my soul sometimes. Of course in Europe we have other compensations like good food and coffee and culture, but still, I firmly believe that man's true home is close to nature..
Lovely shot. A small comment (dare I?) it seems to my eye that there is a slight clockwise list?
Regards,
Omar

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Paul's Photos Paul's Photos   {K:35235} 12/26/2005
beautiful landscape.. glad that you like our "west" ... the only thing I wish is that the reflection of the pine tree on the left was not cut off, pretty minor of course... excellent work

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Giulio Rotelli Giulio Rotelli   {K:28441} 12/26/2005
panorama assolutamente fantastico, sembra di poter respirare l'aria fresca e pulita...

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Angelo Villaschi Angelo Villaschi   {K:49617} 12/25/2005
Hugo,

I hadn't seen this one the first time around, so it is quite nice to see it now. Similar to the one I have recently uploaded, in that you have the classic "river and mountain" composition, but quite different in light, colour and mood. Whereas I had monsoon-type weather, here you have cheerful, colourful sunny skies and bright light.

Nice use of the reflections and layers within the image.

Here's wishing you a Happy New Year, and may it be filled with great photo oportunities!

Regards,
Angelo.

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Amna Al Shamsi   {K:21795} 12/25/2005
Beautiful and relaxing landscape.
Happy holidays
Amna

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Salvatore Rossignolo   {K:13559} 12/25/2005
So, I looked at the photo and immediately thought 'Magic Light' and of course I was right. I guess that what you were looking for. A party for my eyes, very nice work indeed my friend.
Warmest Christmas wishes to you and your family and health and boundless prosperity for the new year.
Your Friend
Sal

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Irenka Daniluk Irenka Daniluk   {K:8011} 12/25/2005
Wow, what a lovely and clear landscape shot! Real pleasure for the eye...

MErry Christmas!

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Don Loseke Don Loseke   {K:32503} 12/25/2005
Hugo, I can see why you like this picture so much. It does tell the whole story of our great American wilderness. So few places left like this and when you do they are overrun by people. Have to wait your turn to take a picture. What I like about this is the natural colors , many photographers tend to over saturate and create images that are not real. Looking forward to more of your work. Merry Christmas. Don.

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Don Loseke Don Loseke   {K:32503} 12/25/2005
Hugo, I can see why you like this picture so much. It does tell the whole story of our great American wilderness. So few places left like this and when you do they are overrun by people. Have to wait your turn to take a picture. What I like about this is the natural colors , many photographers tend to over saturate and create images that are not real. Looking forward to more of your work. Merry Christmas. Don.

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Menno Naber Menno Naber   {K:3570} 12/25/2005
Nice scenery,good composition.
Happy xmas to you

Menno

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Jeanette Hägglund Jeanette Hägglund   {K:59855} 12/25/2005
Beautiful nature shot Hugo! I like the composition with the tree´s stopping the view at right and the mirroring in the little lake. Lovely golden colours in here. As kind of nature shot this reminds me of Tim Schumm´s dito! Excellent!

Jeanette

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Roger Williams Roger Williams   {K:86139} 12/25/2005
Yes, Hugo, I think you capture the sense of the American wilderness very well. America has an almost infinite capacity to suprise and entrance... at least the scenery does! Did you capture an image of the bear you saw? Or were you too busy running away?

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Subhash Sen Subhash Sen   {K:11931} 12/24/2005
Great pic my friend ,thank you for the greetings & wish you & your family a merry christmas & a great 2006 ,love,subhash.

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Ina Nicolae Ina Nicolae   {K:44481} 12/24/2005
I know what you mean, Hugo - I felt the same coming from Europe - when I encountered the vast open spaces of the North American continent. Great landscape and reflection! Best of the holiday season! Ina

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Yoshiyuki Tanaka Yoshiyuki Tanaka   {K:13580} 12/24/2005
Dear Hugo, this is like a picture postcard!Colours and majesty, wonderful sky and beautiful reflections, Nature seems to have prepared this scene for some events. Well, maybe after you left the brown bear emerged....you know, the past coming alive in the silence of the wild.
Regards,
YT

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Marusnik Bela   {K:11611} 12/24/2005
Wonderful landscape, clear vivid colours, excellent reflection.Congrats!

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jude .   {K:14625} 12/24/2005
Stunning image, Hugo...and that's saying something, because it *is* my backyard. *grin* You beautifully caught the sense of 'vastness'...I can almost smell the pine trees and crisp, clean, cold air. Really lovely.

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Saeed Al Shamsi Saeed Al Shamsi   {K:47735} 12/24/2005
Happy Holidays.
Saeed

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Orazio Minnella Orazio Minnella   {K:49417} 12/22/2005
Amazing landscape.Beautiful scene and superb composition.I found,very interesting the mountain and sky reflections on the lake.Nice colors and olso great use of the light.I like see it,as a postcard.Well done dear friend.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Orazio

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Josh .   {K:978} 12/22/2005
Wow amazing capture! lovelycolours and composition!

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Paulo Martel   {K:2550} 12/22/2005
Dear Hugo,

this is a magnificent view, what a nice way to acquaint yourself with the american landscape!
Thanks for your nice remarks on my photos, it is
a big cumpliment coming from a great photographer like you - I went through your portfolio and there so many amazing shots!...

Regards,
Paulo

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Kemal Kekeva Kemal Kekeva   {K:3958} 12/22/2005
excellent lansdscape with nice colors

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Jim Goldstein   {K:21230} 12/22/2005
Beautiful scene. I can see why it is among your favorite for the year. Now to find your other two.

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/22/2005
Hi Jeroen,

Thanks for your comment. The Aperture value was taken from the EXIF, so must be correct... I do see the blurriness, though. Perhaps a slight camera shake? As you know, a minor shake creates a larger absolute translation over distance. Or am I mistaken and is there another explanation?

As per your request, I attachted a different shot, showing an overview of the area. Let me know what you think, please?

Cheers,

Hugo

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Jeroen Wenting   {K:25317} 12/22/2005
Beautiful vista. Shame I had no time to visit that part of the state in 2004, reason to try and get back there some day.

I do notice a slight blurriness in the background, almost like DOF is too shallow or there's some light haze.

I'd love to see a wider version of this, showing more of the surrounding area rather than having those two trees tightly frame the scene (which is well seen btw).

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karen clarke karen clarke   {K:18893} 12/22/2005
Beautiful landscape shot Hugo. I like the way you framed the mountain with the two tall trees on either side. I also like the bit of mountain reflection that blends in with the color of the surrounding grass. Well done~

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Sujit Nandi   {K:555} 12/22/2005
Really excellent capture.With this type of photograph one really can be happy & full of satisfaction. I hope I would be there to take a picture like this one....Regards.
Sujit

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Mireille Heirendt Mireille Heirendt   {K:7258} 12/22/2005
Hugo, this photo takes my breath away too and I have to add that all your pics I've looked at so far, including this one, have captivated my eyes.
The softness in the clouds is well balancing the dramatic mountains and trees. The reflections in the water are stunning and I especially like the high grass bunches in the foreground which add a natural frame to the image. Perfect!!!
Thanks for your comment...will try out re cropping.Regards, Mireille

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/22/2005
Hi Michael, Thanks for your comment. About the composition, I struggled a bit. I took the first few shots from a bit further to my left (see attached), but coulnd't find the right lense to capture both the tall tree on the right in full view, without creating too much space on the left. As the light was fading rapidly, I decided to go for a wide angle lens, and crop the image later. (apart from a minor crop on the left, that was barely necessary). I selected this spot to create the virtual line between the spot of grass and one of the more prominent trees in the background, to guide the eye. It sounds far fetched, but it was a deliberate choice at the time. The spot I took this one from was the farthest to the right I could go without loosing the reflection of the mountain in the pond. It was also the last photo I could take before the sun was obscured by another cloud....

I hope this answers your question,

Cheers,

hugo

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Michael Kenny   {K:679} 12/22/2005
Amazng photo! "piture perfect" lighting. I also like how you decided to frame the photo with the grass stalks in the lower right hand corner--it definately gives the viewer a stronger feeling of being a part of this scene. Congrats!

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Ann Nida Ann Nida   {K:45248} 12/22/2005
WOW Hugo...this is a beautiful scene. Had to nab it for mny favourites. The detail and clarity in this is wonderful. Colours are vivid, fresh and crisp. Razor sharp. A brilliant image. Love the reflection in the pond. Thanks for posting.

Hope you have a Merry CHristmas and a Happy New Year.

Cheers - Ann :)

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Hugo de Wolf Hugo de Wolf   {K:185110} 12/22/2005
Hi Santos, Thanks for your reply. It sure was breathtaking... Hope you don't mind me setting something straight.... This "backyard" is a 10 hrs flight from where I live; and believe me, the Dutch country side is very, very flat too, so I know the feeling...:)

Cheers,

Hugo

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Santos Rodriguez   {K:636} 12/22/2005
Hugo, this is breath taking view...I could only wish it was not so flat here in the SouthEast coast. Very peaceful image and the reflection is great off the water. I've been to Seattle and Whistler so I know what you have in your backyard.

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Howie Mudge Howie Mudge   {K:27933} 12/22/2005
lovely colours and composition and the reflection is very nice also.

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