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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 5/22/2007
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hey, thx for com on a fave shot of mine!...were ya just browsing,or was this featured somewhere?
Have some "G" group stuff to ask ya and will email you in a bit...never heard back from previous mailings i sent the last few days...figured you were busy,but let me know if never rec'd...peace,bay bay *grin*
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Doyle D. Chastain
{K:101119} 5/21/2007
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Homerun Gayle.
The very definition of PJ work . . . evidenced by the comment string. I think you know where I stand.
Regards,
Doyle I <~~~~~
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 9/25/2005
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Decided you should read this since i was never able to locate any such statement "actually made"by cindy that Katz thought was clever to use here...also i wanted to mention that i was surprised by your comment since you left one saying to me,"don't believe everything you read!" and yet you did exactly that by accepting what Katz misquoted!....
(Excellent | Average | Abuse) | Reply to Steve Rosenbach Steve Rosenbach (K:7,099) - Sep 20, 2005
Gayle,
I find the tenor of some of the comments on both sides uncomfortable, but by the same token, very strong photos like yours will tend to make people uncomforatable - and indeed, that is often part of the point of images like these.
When you post images like this, you are bound to be both praised and damned - it just comes with the territory. In a sense, it's sort of a measure of your photos suceeding in conveying how you see things.
In principle, I agree with Sheldon - but I don't think Mother Cindy actually said "evil Jews are running the government" - I believe the actual quote is: "...my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC [Project for a New American Century] Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." What happened is that people like David Duke jumped on the Cindy Sheehan bandwagon, and that's where the actual "evil Jews" quotes are coming from.
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Steve Rosenbach
{K:8338} 9/20/2005
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Gayle,
I find the tenor of some of the comments on both sides uncomfortable, but by the same token, very strong photos like yours will tend to make people uncomforatable - and indeed, that is often part of the point of images like these.
When you post images like this, you are bound to be both praised and damned - it just comes with the territory. In a sense, it's sort of a measure of your photos suceeding in conveying how you see things.
In principle, I agree with Sheldon - but I don't think Mother Cindy actually said "evil Jews are running the government" - I believe the actual quote is: "...my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC [Project for a New American Century] Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." What happened is that people like David Duke jumped on the Cindy Sheehan bandwagon, and that's where the actual "evil Jews" quotes are coming from.
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Kiarang Alaei
{K:49415} 9/14/2005
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Gayle, you have special thoughts, i admire all your peaceful ideas in these photos . thanks for share it. it's valuable!
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Karina Brys
{K:16541} 8/27/2005
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Thanks for your reply Gayle, and, what I did not yet mention, very decent journalistic photograph. Keep up the good work!
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/27/2005
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Karina, the following was written by now retired US Army General,Wesley K. Clark Fri. August 26,2005 He was the supreme allied commander in Europe during the war in Kosovo....
"The growing chorus of voices demanding a pullout should seriously alarm the Bush administration, because President Bush and his team are repeating the failure of Vietnam: failing to craft a realistic and effective policy and instead simply demanding that the American people show resolve. Resolve isn't enough to mend a flawed approach -- or to save the lives of our troops. If the administration won't adopt a winning strategy, then the American people will be justified in demanding that it bring our troops home."
It was reported yesterday that more than 1/2 of the American people are calling for an end to this war!.......peace,gayle (thanks for your comment)
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/26/2005
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Karina,
In China, Cindy Sheehan would be in jail. In this country she is a TV star. If that's not freedom, what is?
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Karina Brys
{K:16541} 8/26/2005
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I didn't read all the comment but from what I've seen I get the feeling that people that oppose the official point of view are walking on egg shells. Strange... in a country that shouts out loud that it will bring freedom and democracy to the world. I wonder what these words really mean in this big and powerful part of the world.
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/25/2005
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You keep proving my point over and over. I have an opinion contrary to yours so you stoop to calling me ignorant. You say I stepped over the line. What line? The one you imposed on me? Last I checked this is a free country. Cindy Sheehan's son understood this. He volunteered twice to protect our country. He felt it was his duty. He thought different than you. Did he step over the line? Was he ignorant? Would you have lost patience with him because he believed our countries leaders are doing the right thing? You surely would have. Therefore you have no right to use his death to further your opinion. If he was here today, he would think you stepped over the line!
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Jason Mckeown
{K:22200} 8/25/2005
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Photojournalistic this shot conveys a strong message, i have know idea about who Cindy is (as i'm an Aussie) and politics is not something im interested in, as a father no parent wants to see their kids go off to fight, as a serving member fighting for the right to say and do as you wish has to be done.
your shot hit a note and that is the point of Photojournalism keep them coming, its your right because sons years before fought for that right
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/25/2005
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Thank you,Rob for conveying your understanding about the value of photojournalism and for your respectful comment regardless of your politics...no, i don't have a different shot of same with candle focused...i purposely used selective focus to blur the FG to put the emphasis on the sign and legs...it was my intent to document the purpose of the vigil and of course the people at the event...many moons ago i did some freelance PJ for articles i used to write, but this is first time i have concentrated more on the photography ...i appreciate your feedback,Rob....peace,gayle
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Rob Graziano
{K:6678} 8/24/2005
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Gayle,
From a completely detached perspective this photo has very good composition and the candle in front makes a powerful statement. Do you have one which focuses on the candle and leaves the message in the background somewhat blurred out? This is perfect for what the category describes as the criteria to place it in there. In photojournalism people are trying to communicate a message and what is focused on says it all; what were you trying to convey with this shot...the vigil or the message of the vigil. I like the shot...I strongly disagree with the message, but I would gladly put my life on the line for people to voice their opinions...that is what makes where we live a great place...we all just have to remember it. Photojournalism is one of the most powerful mediums in the world and has changed the course of human history. Your photo certainly proves that; look at how many comments you recieved on this from around the world...something to ponder. :)
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/24/2005
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And you more than proved your ignorance very well indeed...check your facts before you leave another diatribe on images here at UF...i was beyond patient with you and you crossed the line more than once...BTW, also check what the purpose of PHOTOjournalism is and the definition...and you proved my intent and point of having my PJ images make people "Think"....!
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/24/2005
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hi, Toshi...exactomento!...always nice to read your feedback about my photos and your understanding of my recent photojournalism posts...peace,gayle
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Toshi
{K:11924} 8/24/2005
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Great photojournalistc shot Gayle. Love the low perspective and selective focusing. I don't know what the bid deal is all about with these type of shots. You can see these type of photos all over the news and newspapers, you're only documenting what's happening around you. Great capture and keep it up!
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/24/2005
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Mark Beltran,(i know several Marks,thus your whole name ;>)Excuse me? if you choose to believe Sheldon Katz,go ahead,Mark as it is clearly your perogative....judging from what i have read from him thus far, he wouldn't recognize photojournalism if it was on a neon sign outside his house!...i have NO knowledge of such alleged statements about Cindy, nor am i anti any religion or race...i simply was at one vigil where i was one person there to document it.
I do appreciate your honest critique about the actual photo, and i agree that after i posted it here,i,too saw similar shots on global org.sites...but that just tells me i at least was in the "ball park" with my attempts!...
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Mark Beltran
{K:32612} 8/24/2005
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Sheldon mentioned: "Cindy's other quotes, like "evil Jews are running the government" or how about "this country is not worth dying for"."
Wow, did she really say that? So how come she doesn't have to be respectful and we have to?
My grandad was one of Gen. MacArthur's men, and I'm sure he thought it was worth it for me, and his daughter who happens to be my mother.
Now for the critique: This is a very standard shot. I've seen dozens of photographs of signs with the candles in front.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/24/2005
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DD, thanks so very much for being a fine example of a mature,respectful and intelligent person who comprehends the value of photojournalism and my images here at UF regardless of personal political beliefs....i,too,support our troops as individuals and wish the best for your sons.
Appreciate your forum comment,too...very well expressed,girl!....hugs,gayle (about to leave a long reply in forum...peek it out if get the chance)
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/24/2005
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Thank you Keith!...it is people like you who inspire and encourage me to continue to stay true to my beliefs about the validity and importance of photojournalism regardless of personal political views. Am going to post a reply to some comments in my donor forum thread shortly, and welcome any feedback you wish to express.
best regards,gayle
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Keith Saint
{K:13784} 8/24/2005
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Well said Dorothy your sons must make you proud.
I hope they are both home with you soon, safe and well
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Dorothy Di Liddo
{K:13787} 8/24/2005
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Thank you Keith, for being able to keep the two issues seperate. The photography vs. the politics. The PJ photos belong here, they raise our awareness of the world around us. Gayle's photo is beautifully done. I do not like War, but I fully support our troops. I have one son home safe from Iraq, and one who will most likely end up over there, I am grateful that they are willing to risk all so that all may live free. This is what it's all about folks!
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Keith Saint
{K:13784} 8/24/2005
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Gayle I think this is agreat example of photo journalism
For this you have done well to see it.
Just for the record I agree with the war on terror. I respect your view but this is all about photography and your work is great.
Keep them coming I look forward to see more
Keith
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/23/2005
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You and Mark just proved the point Brad and I made earlier. Good job!
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carlo raingini
{K:11977} 8/23/2005
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super content with a beauty message. "stop the war!!!". i wish :/
all my best regards,
carlo
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/23/2005
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Mark,am "wagging my finger at ya" (hehehe) for your comment which is a FINE EXAMPLE of full comprehension of the validity of photojournalism here,there and everywhere!...i wish everyone could be as mature,respectful and intelligent with their comments...and you were helpful to someone with your calculations,too!...
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Mark Julian
{K:36866} 8/23/2005
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Dear Gayle, Wonderful shot with a strong message. I bet this is exactly the kinda thing UF was thinking about when they included the category "Journalism" in their menu. A very valid part of the Photography family IMHO. Well done, Mark PS. BTW The country is 229 years old. It's a simple formula: 2005 - 1776 = 229 (before July 4th it was 228 even though it was still 2005. A bit tricky). Just wanted to help someone up there that was having a bit of trouble......
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/23/2005
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Kamran, you touch my heart with your comment...you are most welcome and know that many in the USA make efforts to convey these messages,too.....peace,gayle...a mother
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Kamran Bakhtiari
{K:24048} 8/23/2005
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thanks Gayle for your help as an artist.
a father.....
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Blaine,well said and i thank you for your astute assessment of the value of photojournalism!
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B Hawkins
{K:1529} 8/22/2005
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Well captured. A timely view into the world we live in today. Save it for your kids. However history remembers this war, it's shots like this that will help to record both sides of the story.
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Bradley Prue
{K:30678} 8/22/2005
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C'mon Gayle.....you're KILLING me (SIDE splitting giggles)! I still haven't seen you wag that finger at any of the lefties (a term of endearment......don't wag me again!) despite all of their opinions. Bottom line....you DO allow political comments (not to be confused with comments about the image itself, or about photojournalism in general) from SOME people, but wag the finger at others.
And I know I'm a little thick...but I'm not getting the "Mutt & Jeff" thing... or for that matter, how does the "glass houses" reference fit into this whole thing, either?
I do like the rigid contrast in the shot, by the way.... even if the message makes my eyes roll till they hurt.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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George,thank you for your photo critique.
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George Marks
{K:15437} 8/22/2005
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This is a good photo. Technically everything is close to perfect. With a solid technical background, the message comes across a lot clearer. Then it leads to the other questions. I personally find the message, the messenger and all that goes with it to be extremely repulsive. Both her son and George Bush swore an oath to protect her right to do this. And it goes on...
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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oh Brad......didn't think you would mis-read what i wrote not only in my about,but my point in my replies to Sheldon...you both making me weary from going over it sooooooooooo much! ..little smile...
Tell me "WHERE DO I SAY ANYTHING TO SHELDON THAT CHASTISES HIM FOR DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU CALL MY OPINION?" Read my last reply to Sheldon.
"Fishy"? man, the mutt n' jeff tag team is the "Fishy" one,my dear...how does that saying go about "glass houses"?
am finger wagging at you,my friend,in all due respect of course! ;>
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Sheldon, you have me laughing now,so thanks as i needed that!...what part of Roland's comment:
Roland Lacson (Donor) (K:5,134) - Aug 22, 2005
Hello Gayle, the beauty & power of the medium is to raise awareness as to what is unfolding around us as well as generating opinions to current events. You have demonstrated well here, the sign says it all, this would also look great in b&w. Great shot, best wishes.
or this one from Quinton:
quinton weeks (Donor) (K:965) - Aug 22, 2005
while i totally disagree with the nessage it is an good photo with a message.
both of which i left thank you replies, give you the erroneos impression that as you say:
Sheldon Katz (Donor) (K:450) - Aug 22, 2005
If someone agrees with you they are mature and intelligent. If they don't agree they are breaking the rules as you have accused me. Typical left reaction. Freedom of speech is reserved for those who agree with the left.
For the record, i am not a Democrat!
My objection to your statements are,once again, that 1. have nothing to do with my photo regarding the technicals and/or aesthetics
2. your comments don't address the value of photojournalism
I will take your comment about my image being perfect for the NY Times as a huge compliment!
Personally i don't care if you agree with me or not politically,Sheldon,as i requested that you be respectful like for instance,Quinton was who doesn't agree with the sign's message....
I was hoping that many here would recognize the value of this photojournalism image regardless of their personal beliefs ...
I am very much the lady and have been very patient with you, but i may just have to "turn this car around any moment now and take you right home if you persist,young man!" ..smile..
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Bradley Prue
{K:30678} 8/22/2005
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Gayle, you know your my "bud", but.....with all due respect, I must agree with Sheldon about the "two sets of rules". On this and all of your other "photojournalism" shots (including the one posted AFTER this one) you seem to allow opinions that agree with yours. But you chastise Sheldon for disagreeing with you. I can cound DOZENS of anti-Bush comments that have been left without being scolded. And to be very frank, Sheldons initial comment was no more disrespectful than many anti-Bush comments that have gone without a "finger wag". Am I missing something here????
I dunno, Gayle. It lools pretty fishy to me.
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Susie OConnor
{K:34798} 8/22/2005
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What a message...nice dof...sad subject matter. Thanks for reminding us.
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/22/2005
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If someone agrees with you they are mature and intelligent. If they don't agree they are breaking the rules as you have accused me. Typical left reaction. Freedom of speech is reserved for those who agree with the left.
Your picture would be perfect on the front page of the New York Times. They believe that only the left has the right to speak out, just like you.
So much for the Democrats being "the party of tolerance." Send Osama my best.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Thank you,Roland! I have great respect for those who understand and recognize the value of photojournalism and appreciate that you expressed yourself maturely and intelligently...best wishes to you,too!
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Roland Lacson
{K:12214} 8/22/2005
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Hello Gayle, the beauty & power of the medium is to raise awareness as to what is unfolding around us as well as generating opinions to current events. You have demonstrated well here, the sign says it all, this would also look great in b&w. Great shot, best wishes.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Sheldon and anyone else abusing this image page of mine: PLEASE READ THE ADDITION TO MY ABOUT
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Randal Dean
{K:4004} 8/22/2005
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George Bush isn't a terrorist; he's a war criminal. (Sorry Gayle, I couldn't help it.)
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/22/2005
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The truth? Cindy Sheehan says George Bush is a terroist and killed her son. It was Islamic terrorists who killed her son. The problem in this country is leftys like her and you don't want to face the truth. The terrorists are using the "useful idiots" on the left for their cause. They know what happened in Vietnam and they are hoping for the same result. The left is giving the terrorists a reason to attack our soldiers. They know that they can't beat our army so they want to challenge our will.
People like Cindy Sheehan are aiding the terrorists. Ironic that she has the nerve to call George Bush a terrorist.
Thank god your buddy Kerry blew it.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Neal,it is an honor to know such a respectful and enlightened person like yourself...i believe in the power of photojournalism to expand public consciousness where it is most needed...thank you!
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Randal Dean
{K:4004} 8/22/2005
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I agree with Neal, the out of focus candle really makes it. It's a fine composition, the legs add the immediate human presence. Great work, Gayle!
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Neal Nye
{K:15827} 8/22/2005
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It's a strong message and a strong photo. I am so proud of you for posting both! Your technique is flawless with the blurring of the flame to focus on the message. It's an honor to know someone who has the courage to use her photography to reveal the truth.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Sheldon, guess we interpret the meaning of "critique" differently...it is my impression on UF that a critique is about the techs (comp,light,focus,etc.) or about the aesthetics (moody light,atmospheric,dream-like,etc.)...we can agree to disagree...
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/22/2005
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Gayle Hardman,
Please reread your instructions. They say a critique about the photo. The photo delivers a message. I critiqued the message. Therefore I followed your instructions.
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Paul Lara
{K:88111} 8/22/2005
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nice telephoto compression, Gayle.
Nicer message.
Thanks for documenting the beginning moment when America realized it's not 'unpatriotic' to begin questioning teh decision of our leaders...on our behalf.
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Quinton, thanks for being respectful and actually comprehending my "About"...photojournalism shows life's many facets, and this is just one..
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Gayle's Eclectic Photos
{K:91109} 8/22/2005
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Sheldon Katz, please re-read my "About"...your comment has nothing to do with my photojournalism photo shot at one of 1,600 vigils...why bother leaving such a comment on a photo here at UF which you obviously object to? There are 100's of other photos on UF for you to choose from...if you have something to say about photojournalism,or about my image regarding the techs or aesthetics,then those comments are indeed welcome.....
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John Test
{K:1956} 8/22/2005
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while i totally disagree with the nessage it is an good photo with a message.
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Sheldon Katz
{K:-287} 8/22/2005
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Why not show some of Cindy's other quotes, like "evil Jews are running the government" or how about "this country is not worth dying for".
Many have died for this country in many conflicts over the last 200 hundred and some odd years. They died so people like Cindy Sheehan could be free. As they say "no good deed goes unpunished"!
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Marcia .
{K:16108} 8/22/2005
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Just perfect DOF!!!
I choose LIFE!
Well done, Gayle.
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