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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/18/2007
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And as more and more gets done as the time passes by, being original gets always harder and harder.
Which means that we are heading against real hard times in photography, Andre! ;-)
Oh well, let's only try to make good images, I guess.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/15/2007
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Absolutely Nick,
I guess it's natures way of reminding us of what a small world we live in. It is extremely difficult to be completely original :) Once in a while we stumble onto something original, but more often than not, someone has done it all before.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/12/2007
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Thank you very very much for the answer and the information, Andre! I knew the song by Harrison and also some other songs by The Chiffons, but I wasn't aware of "He's so fine" and of that "coincidense".
That kind of unconscious plagiarism does offen happen, and quite when one doesn't even notice that. It is very interesting to see that happening all the time, since it shows that we are indeed manipulable one the way or the other. I think that morden marketing knows that and uses that also very effectively.
I also can't imagine that Harrison did that intentionally. You just walk somewhere, you here something unconsiously, and after some days it's back there like out of your mind. Same goes for photos and anything else of course.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/10/2007
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Hi Nick,
Yes, we were talking about how we can sometimes be influenced by things we saw or heard in the past. Back in the early 70's George Harrison had a number one hit with the song "My Sweet Lord". The song had been on the charts for about 14 weeks when a plagerism lawsuit was issued against Harrison. It seems that the song "He's So Fine", recorded by a girl group in the early 60's called The Chiffons, is almost identical in every way. (try listening to both of them and compare) Here is a site that will tell you everything you could possibly want to know about what happened back then.
http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm
I can't believe that George Harrison would have intentionally copied the music to that song. Why would he have to? I tend to believe it was a kind of subconsious plagerism.
I think there have been several cases of novels being written by someone who pulled the story out of the back of their heads from another book they read years earlier.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/9/2007
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Exactly this I believe too, Andre! Nothing gets really lost of what we encounter. Its consequences for us are perhaps "stored" in some kind of "background DB" and when the time comes, they show up in the sense that they make us wanting to so something, finding something nice or ugly, etc.
I don't mean it some "magical way", you know, but rather the very practical way, quite down to earth. Every child has that while growing. The first things it wants to do, or it wants to avoid, are the things that is sees from the parents. So it seems quite natural, to want "to be like him", or similar. Until of course we find some own way and just decide to go through it, but even then there are so many influences.
I would be a big liar now, if I would say that an Edward Lodewijk the First and Only (Eddie van Halen ;-)) wouldn't have heavily influenced my wishes about how to sound on the guitars - hell, of course I wanted to sound like him, because he is brilliant, no doubt about that! ;-) (Whether I am able to sound so, is of course... errm, a different question! ;-)) Or also about writing lyrics - who doesn't want to reach the hights of a Neil Peart, your fellow man of Rush?
It starts like this and it then perhaps develops to some more "own" direction. But the influences are impossible to overlook.
Nick
P.S.: Talkin about music, why did that sond came into your mind? Is it also some result of such an influence? I still like all "the Beatles" and I hear much music of them, but what is about that song?
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/9/2007
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Hi Nick,
I believe anything we see or hear effects us in one way or another. Sometimes, we store the information away without realizing it, and reproduce it again as our own. :)
There have been many court cases over unintentional copying of music, or books for example.
The George Harrison song "My Sweet Lord" comes to mind.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/2/2007
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And such strong inspiration! A real legacy I would name that, Andre!
So many times it catches me by surprise, when I realize that I try to copy those masters, which I guess they all would rather disprove, and tell us to be our own selves.
But perhaps this is the quite "normal" way of how things go. Perhaps anything we see influences us, since it either makes us wanting to do something similar, or avoid it completely. In the case of those masters it gets hard to not wish to be able to do it their way.
Just thoughts late in the night.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 11/2/2007
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Hi Nick,
I feel the same way. There is always inspiration available when we look at images of the great masters like Karsh, and several others too many to mention.
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 11/1/2007
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Hi Andre!
Sigh! Whom do you tell that? I assume that I'll be trying to reach a small part of that advantage my whole life! ;-)
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/30/2007
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Thanks Tap,
It seems to work out quite nicely this way, I agree.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/30/2007
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Thanks for visiting and commenting Domenico.
It is a difficult choice for me in this case, but most of the time I prefer B&W too.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/30/2007
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Hi Nick,
Yes, I agree! Those images by Karsh of Greta Garbo or Winston Churchill, just wouldn't look as impressive in colour. But then, he is a great master, so there is quite an advantage there. :)
Andre
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Andrzej B.
{K:2244} 10/29/2007
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I like it in B&W too. Good work, Andre.
Tap
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Domenico Franco
{K:1381} 10/28/2007
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BW power!
I prefer this one.
Regards
Domenico
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/28/2007
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I also think that there must be reasons for the B&W surviving through all ages of photography. So many things appeared and then disappeared but the B&W seem to be there for good. Comparing for example portraits, especially those of strong physiognomies, all those tiny details like skin texture, or wrinkles, etc, seem to me to be much stronger (in general) on a B&W images.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/26/2007
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Hi Biljana,
That happens to me quite often when viewing images.
I find photographic images are very much like music or films or books in that respect. We quite often enjoy them more the second time around. I suppose it should be one of our goals when taking images to try and create them so that they have "staying power". Meaning that they can be viewed over and over again, revealing a little more of the mystery every time.
Thanks for your nice comment.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/26/2007
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Hi Nick,
I never really thought about it like that before. Maybe that is one of the reasons why B&W has endured so long. We never seem to get tired of it. (probably because of the seemingly infinite variations in the greyscale)
Andre
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biljana mitrovic
{K:48110} 10/26/2007
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Yes,you are absolutely right my dear Andre ...When I saw this picture today I was find it's very,very interesting...more than first time I saw it!!!
big hug my friend
biljana
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/25/2007
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And speaking about tones of a B&W, there can be more different hues of gray (or any other tone of a monochrome) than number of hues of the basic colors of a color image if one uses in both cases the same number of bits to represent each pixel of an image. (That holds also for the physical image, not only the electronic one.) So perhaps that is why a B&W can separate such tiny details so well even using a lower amount of information.
Nick
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/25/2007
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Thanks Alicia,
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Alicia Popp
{K:87532} 10/25/2007
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Muy buena la versión B&N, texturas, formas, luces geniales!
Felicitaciones!!!
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/24/2007
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Hi Nick,
Yeah, I think "homogeneous" was what I meant. Consisting of parts of the same kind seems like what I was trying to express. The only difference being consisting of tones or shades of the same kind.
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/24/2007
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Hi Biljana,
I believe this one is more moody than the colour version. I think sometimes it depends on our own moods which type of image we prefer to see. :)
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/24/2007
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That's true, Andre, many such color combinations get eliminated on the B&W while of course the shapes remain. So perhaps a B&W focuses on the shape (the "what it is") rather than color (the "how" it is).
I think you meant "homogeneous" as "consisting of parts of the same kind". If so, then again yes, it does look much more homogeneous. Or was that homogenous? Anyway...
Cheers,
Nick
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biljana mitrovic
{K:48110} 10/23/2007
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I must say my friend that I prefer color version.It's more spectacular than b&w in my opinion .
big hug my dear friend
biljana
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/23/2007
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Hi Nick,
I think sometimes B&W has that kind of effect. You mention the vegetation at the top. Sometimes colours that might be distracting to the over-all composition seem to work well when converted to B&W or other mono tones.
Therefore you get that feeling of the image being homogenious. (I think that's the right word)
Andre
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Andre Denis
{K:66407} 10/23/2007
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Thanks Dave,
I had a feeling this one would look pretty good in B&W
Andre
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Nick Karagiaouroglou
{K:127263} 10/23/2007
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While the color one was more into photography of nature, this one goes more into scientific photography in my eyes, Andre! It looks exacter, with more sense for revealing and understanding to me. I perceive the details and the overall morphology stronger here. Perhaps because a B&W image still catches "the summary of importance"?
Another thing I notice here is that I don't feel like cropping the top off. I think it is because the color difference doesn't exist anymore.
Cheers,
Nick
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Dave Stacey
{K:150877} 10/23/2007
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Great toning, and I like the crop and orientation, Andre! This treatment give a real abstract look to the shot.
Dave.
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